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laquan mcdonald shooting intensifies. now that he's fired the police superintendent, demonstrators are also calling on the state's attorney anita alvarez to resign. in an interview this morning, mayor was asked directly if he plans to step down. >> there are calls for the mayor to resign. would you consider that? >> no. we have a process. it's called election. the voters spoke. i'll be held accountable and responsible for my actions and the decisions i make and that's how i approach it. i'd never shrink from the responsibility of what i think are making very tough decisions to move the city forward. people can express their views, but as it relates to what i have to do, the people had a vote, they made a decision and i'm going to execute the responsibilities of being the mayor. my job is to lead the city, help people understand the changes we have to make, and bring people along on the decisions made. >> the state's top prosecutor is now calling for a federal civil rights investigation into the entire chicago police
department. in a et willer to the justice department, attorney general lisa madigan said, "the shocking death of laquan mcdonald is the latest tragedy in our city that highlights serious concerns about the use of unlawful and excessive force by chicago police officers. nbc's stephanie gosk joins me now from chicago. stephanie, you've been covering this story. i want to start with the latest news regarding rahm emanuom eah this interview where he says he is not stepping down, that the people had a vote. but it is exactly that vote that's in the middle of this controversy, many believe that the delay of releasing that video was based on the election cycle and what was happening in his political career. >> reporter: that's right, tamron. right no you have the mayor battling this perception that his office and he personally delayed the charges in the la kwan mcdonald case to be re-elected. whether or not that happened -- he denies that that happened. he says the video was released
because he was worried about hampering an ongoing federal investigation. however, that is the perception many among on streets. one thing he said in yesterday's press conference when he talked about dismissing his top cop is that mccarthy had become a distraction in this city and that there were important things that the city had to deal with going forward. they didn't need that distraction. the question is at this point, has the mayor become a distraction as well. there are some, his fiercest critics with be who say that he has. but now it is going to be a real test for him and this battle is going to be ongoing. this is not going to be a problem that's easily resolved and we have now in the city another family asking for another video of a cop shooting and that's going to be decided in the next couple of days. >> that case that you pointed out is one of -- i believe about five that have been cited as cases that need reviewing and may be part of a larger issue as pointed out by the attorney general lisa madigan. >> reporter: that's right.
this case is -- 25-year-old ronald johnson. he was shot eight days before laquan mcdonald. his family says that an officer fired five times at him, hit him twice in the back as he was running away unarmed. now the police account is starkly different. they say that he had a gun, that he threatened police, and that is why he was shot. now the family and the lawyer says that there is dash cam video -- all this is going to sound very familiar, by the way -- that there is dash cam video that shows that johnson was unarmed and that he was actually trying to flee as opposed to being threatening. and right now, you have a loss of credibility right now, tamron, in statements from the police. the same union representative who came out and said laquan mcdonald threatened police is the say guy that came out in this case and said that johnson was shot because he had a gun in his hand and was threatening police. right now there are a lot of people in this city who don't believe anything that the police department is saying.
>> again going back to that letter from the attorney general, lisa madigan, to the justice department, she said that the trust in the police department is broken and a part of the investigation into laquan mcdonald's death is also this alleged missing portion of video taken at a burger king near where he was shot and killed. rahm emanuel was asked about the burger king video in that interview this morning. let me play what he said. >> you're asking me to draw conclusion that the fbi and u.s. attorney's office are looking into. look, if you're worried about a cover-up, the last person you want involved in looking at that is me. so therefore, the tapes and everything involved, as i said just a minute ago, all that information is with the fbi and u.s. attorney going back 13 months ago -- or a little longer. that's who has it. when they conclude everything, the questions around that tape, what was conducted, will be answered to the thoroughness of the public and if there's an
action that's required after that, to hold people accountable, we will. >> now meanwhile, there's a question as to whether or not, stephanie, rahm emanuel will take a trip to paris for the climate summit happening there and leave his city at the time of all of these protests. what do we know regarding that? >> reporter: well, he says now that he's actually canceled that trip. just going back to those comments about that 86-minute piece of video, it is important to make the distinction that right now there is already an active federal criminal investigation. what the attorney general in this state is calling for is this kind of patterns and practices civil rights investigation that would be distinct from the criminal investigation. now what the mayor has said is that the criminal investigation will be looking specifically at how the chicago police investigated essentially themselves in that shooting. he mentions that 86-minute piece of video. the manager of the burger king tells our local nbc station --
this was a while ago -- that that video had been erased by police officers the night of the shooting. that is something that the state's attorney came out and said when she announced the charges against officer jason van dyke, that that was not the case, that forensics had shown that it had not deleted that portion of video. so two conflicting stories yet again, tamron. >> stephanie, thank you very much. let me bring in msnbc chief legal correspondent ari melber to take the bigger look here. we've seen, for example, in ferguson where the justice department got involved and examined the police department. it's also happened in cleveland. this would be the largest city to have its police force examined in this way where public trust has eroded to the point where people in large numbers have no confidence in the police department. >> right. that is the dynamic. it is a significant thing as you reported for the top law enforcement official in the state to say basically to loretta lynch -- we need help.
we can't do this alone. we need an independent investigation. tamron, you know chicago well. this is not ferguson in scale or size. a top-to-bottom review of the chicago pd would be an enormous endeavor. it may be as the ag is arguing a necessary one. want to tell you and our viewers here, talking about the johnson case, i spoke to the lawyer for that family just last night as all this was developing, michael oppenheimer. he told me he has seen the tape. as stephanie gosk reported, he says it does show another shooting of another unarmed individual essentially. police denying that. we'll be speaking both to him and the mother there in that case later today around 2:30 on msnbc. but it is another case people are watching. not only because it would be of course a significant individually for that family and that issue, but because again it goes to your question about is there a pattern, is there a practice, is there an m.o. of both not only incidents of excessive force, but then a machine that kicks in to gear
involving multiple more officers to basically bury some of these stories. that's at least what the family is alleging, tamron. >> ari, thank you very much. we'll check back in with you on the investments. as we reported, the mayor appointed a six-person task force on police accountability. it includes former massachusetts governor and chicago native deval patrick who's serving as a senior advisor. joining me now, one of the members of the panel, attorney sergio acosta, a former assistant us attorney in chicago. thank you for your time. people say there is already a panel, if you will, of review when there are officer-involved shootings, when there are allegations against police officers in the city. why or how would this task force make a difference? >> i think one of the things we're tasked with doing is taking a look at how those cases are reviewed, what type of oversight exists be with is there sufficient independence in that oversight and how can it be
made much more effective so that there's transparency and the public confidence can be restored in how the police department and how the city of chicago investigates these cases. >> obviously you have -- i don't know the exact number of the department but you have thousands of police officers. this is a major city. many would wonder why something like this in place before and question whether or not this is just another bureaucratic move to make people feel good but in reality this is not a real change. it's just another task force set up when you already have something in place. >> well, i certainly understand the skepticism that the public would have regarding this. i can tell you that myself, i know the other members on this task force. we're all people with experience in these things. we're very independent. we're certainly not lackeys of the mayor's or any other group and we intend to take this task on very seriously, provided, of
course, that the attorney general's intervention -- potential intervention here is not something that's going to cause us to have to step aside while they undertake their investigation. >> but when we look at chicago's history -- i know you work on the case involving the police officer, the investigator, john birch. he was accused of forcing a um number of false confessions from a number of black men. he went on to florida and got his pension and the allegations against him went from the 1970s to the '90s. also in the early 2000s, you had a 7 and 8-year-old, both african-american boys in the ryan harris case, who were called in and charged with a young girl's murder. they were ultimately cleared of that. so these are just two instances that you and i both know well living in chicago where the chicago police department and its accountability and its transparency were all put out in the open. so why now do you believe people should have confidence this time
around? >> well, clearly the events of the past week -- and frankly, the events of the past year, year-and-a-half, have led us to this point where the mayor has decided that he needs to take this step. again, tamron, what i can tell you is i personally do have a record of working on these types of cases. when i was with the u.s. attorney's office, i was the criminal civil rights coordinator. i know what goes on in these cases and how to investigate them. and, frankly, from my perspective, when i was with the u.s. attorney's office, i saw how the civilian side, the police side, also investigated these cases. so we have i think some real value that we can bring to the debate, to the discussion, and some strong recommendations i'm sure we're going to come up with by the time our work is completed. >> with what you know now and having the mayor say yesterday that the police superintendent was a distraction, you and i both know the calls for anita alvarez to step down, the prosecutor, and mayor emanuel to resign as well.
do you believe you can move forward with both of these people in place? >> look, those are political issues. i certainly understand why people are out there protesting and so forth. that's not something that we're going to get involved with. regardless of what happens at the end of the day, the city of chicago is still going to be here, the police department is going to be here, the communities are going to be here and these are issues that need to be resolved. >> thank you for your time. we greatly appreciate it. developing now, a day after the u.s. announced it's sending more special ops forces to fight isis and the joint chiefs chairman admitted the terror group is not contained, the british parliament is now in the middle of what's scheduled to be a ten-hour debate over whether to authorize the uk to join air strikes against isis in syria. the uk's currently only carrying out air strikes in iraq. prime minister david cameron argued this morning bombing isis in syria will "keep the british people safe." meanti meantime, iraqi forces are now fighting to retake that key city of ramadi west of baghdad which
isis captured back in may. the iraqi forces are being supported by intense coalition air strikes. also today, a u.n. report estimates there are now up to 3,000 isis fighters in libya. let's bring in democratic congressman seth multan of massachusetts, and before being elected to congress served four tours of duty in iraq as a marine corps officer. we appreciate you joining us this morning, congressman. let's talk about what we heard yesterday regarding an increase in the number of special ops on the ground. what does that tell you from, a, your experience as a marine, and what you've been able to learn as a member of congress? >> first of all, there is no question that this is a combat mission. we are getting very involved again in iraq at the level of combat where american lives are going to be put at risk. in 2004 my platoon had an advisory mission in iraq and when the iraqi platoon that we were assigned to and that we
supported and mentored came under attack and started to get overrun, we went to their aid and it started the battle with some of the fiercest fighting of the war. first, this is a combat mission. second, i'm concerned we still don't seem to have a political end game in iraq or in syria and the only way for whatever military successes we have on the ground to have lasting impact so that we don't have to find ourselves back in iraq for a third time is if we have a political plan to ensure the peace. i asked about that yesterday to the secretary of defense and to the chairman and it seemed clear that they are moving in that direction but we don't really have a long-term plan in place yet. >> when you asked that question, what answer were you expecting? i ask that simply if you look at the dynamic of what's happened in iraq and afghanistan, that question has been asked many times and when the solution has been provided, it seems to have fallen apart in both of those countries. >> that's right. i asked the secretary of defense what is the mission of our military in iraq. it wasn't very clear. i asked the chairman. he gave a very clear mission
statement for the commander on the ground but there was no political dimension to that. and then i asked about what coordination the military is doing with the state department. obviously the state department has to be involved in any political or diplomatic effort. he said they are coordinating and they've been coordinating for the past month. well, isis has been a problem for a lot longer than a month so i found that to be a rather disturbing answer. >> i do want to ask you also about a letter that was sent to members of congress. it was signed -- bipartisan letter signed by former secretaries of state henry kissinger, madelyn albright, george schultz, among 20 other experts and military leaders who have called on congress to stop the proposal to deter the flow of syrian and iraqi refugees into the united states. this hits home for you in many ways. you opened your home -- or assisted in a great way youry translator in iraq and your calling on other members of congress to really re-evaluate some of what we've heard in the
last week or so. >> that's right. the letter is spot-on. it's not only about upholding our values, which is critically important. we have always been a destination for people who are suffering from oppression across the globe. we are a destination today for the very enemies of isis, the very people that isis is attacking. we've got to uphold our values. but it also is critical to our national security that we show the world that american values apply to all. american values apply to muslims and syrians, the same way they do to everybody else and us here at home. we spoke this morning on the armed services committee with david ignatius, an expert who's spent a lot of time studying isis and he emphasized this point -- he said it is critical that muslim-americans right here at home feel like they are on the front lines of this fight against isis, and they're not going to feel that way if we make them feel isolated right in america. >> congressman, thank you so much again for your service and for your time today. thank you. >> thank you, tamron. coming up, a new report says
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so-called establishment candidates and their super pacs have outspent the outsiders so far this cycle. bush, rubio, kasich have a combined spending of more than $47 million on ads, while trump, carson and cruz have spent together $2.9 million. let's talk about all of this. mother jones' washington bureau chief, david korn and republican strategist, susan del percio. we've heard donald trump say the line in the past about "bombing the hell" out of them, he knows that's the kind of clip he knows will get played over and over which is perhaps why he doesn't have to pay for ads. but the notion taking out their family almost sounding like a godfather mob boss. we know from a number of reports the establishment, some of the big donors are worried and they are looking for a plan to level against donald trump. >> they're extremely worried about donald trump and i'd say the other thing they are extremely worried about is ted cruz's rise in the polls because the only candidate that would be
worse than donald trump for the republican ticket is probably ted cruz. that being said, donald trump's comments are not going to hurt him with that core 25% of the vote. what we're seeing especially in that last poll you mentions, he is losing women 2-1. independents, 2-1. he is all but guaranteeing -- should he become the nominee -- which i think is not going to happen. but should he, he is guaranteeing a loss for himself because at the end of the day, elections are won by addition, not subtraction. >> david, let me get you in on it. when you look at the head-to-head match-ups, the only one of the gop candidates close to hillary clinton is marco rubio. you look at donald trump, he's way down there and that's the larger concern of the gop if he is their nominee. >> well, as susan noted and the polls keep showing, he's becoming the candidate of angry white guys who want to just knock the hell out of isis, say what they want to say, they don't care if it is politically correct or not. donald trump is venting the way they like to vent which is often
without facts, you say what you feel. we're just going to knock out their families. we have drone strikes in afghanistan. we take out a fair number of civilians, we try not to, but it happens. that doesn't stop. you don't really stop brutality with your own type of brutality. but it sounds good. it sunounds like what you say ia schoolyard. seems to me at least one-quarter or one-third of the party are just wedded to donald trump's venting and angry and brutality no matter what else he says and they're not going away when voting starts in two months. >> when you look at the numbers, how much money the establishment candidates have spent versus the outside. i know chris christie yesterday said, listen, every place he goes the media asks him about trump. he views that as free advertisement. news cycle is dominated by donald trump and his statements. but nevertheless, that money gap is incredible. >> it is.
we live in a brave new world where media celebrity tycoon gets as much free media, as they call it, without advertising. people don't watch tv, unfortunately, as much as they used to. they're on twitter, they're reading blogs, particularly people who don't trust the media which tend to be conservatives so they're being reached another way. you look at jeb bush spending $30 million. the more money he spends the more he goes down. it is the old adage -- doesn't matter how much you sell the dog food, if the dog won't eat the dog food, that's the end of the game. the more people see jeb bush through the ads, the less they like of him. he should stop advertising right now. he might do better. he might go up in the polls. >> susan, $4 million jeb bush will spend on tv ads this week alone and he's in single digits in most of the polls. >> as a consultant i shouldn't say this, but it is possible to spend a lot of money very poorly. and that's exactly what team bush is doing with his super pac. they are not figuring out how to
contact voters, how to move the needle. on the other hand, kasich is also in that number and he spent a lot of money early in new hampshire and that's why when he announced he really shot up in the polls. his problem was is he didn't have the money to sustain that kind of advertising to keep him up. so it all depends on how you are using your money. i would argue carly fiorina could have done something with her strong performances in the debate but she didn't have a nickel to put on tv. so it all depends on how you're spending money. and there is something when it comes to jeb bush, he was really trying to run a different type of strategy and he's not in this fight right now. >> he's not in the fight but whether he's spending it wise or unwisely, he had the name recognition i think chuck leader of to both bush and clinton as "legacy candidates." we obviously know why. he may not have had a "celebrity apprentice" show on nbc, but certainly political celebrity clout comes with his name. i'm not talking about with democrats but with the gop.
>> but hillary clinton already -- >> susan, go ahead. >> but there's also a difference with hillary clinton who's already spent more than $30 million, has raised $100 million -- >> but she's seeing results in the polls. >> correct. that's how you spend money wisely. that's the difference. >> i would say bush is a legacy candidate. but even within the gop it is largely a negative legacy. a lot of gop people don't like the war in iraq, this he thought bush was not a -- george w. bush was not a strict enough conservative. so there's not a lot -- outside of the republican establishment, i don't know anybody how the out there who's saying 2001 to 2008 were so great that we want another bush back. i just don't see that in the republican party or the general electorate. >> but it is that establishment that's been well reported, david, working right now trying to figure out a way to take out donald trump and maybe even ted cruz if at the rises more. >> good luck to them. >> we'll see what happens. a lot of time. the suspect in the deadly standoff at planned parenthood, according to a new report, has
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officers to be tried in the death of freddie gray. he died last year while in police custody. the 12-person jury is made up of eight women and four men, a majority of the jurors are african-american. opening statements should begin as early as this afternoon. we'll continue to follow the developments on that case out of baltimore. now to chilling new details about the man accused of killing three people at a colorado planned parenthood. police have still not released a motive for friday's rampage. at that colorado springs clinic. but robert dear's ex-wife is speaking out saying she's convinced he specifically targeted planned parenthood. in an interview with nbc news, she claims that her ex-husband once put glue in the locks of a planned parenthood clinic 20 years ago. she said he meant to go there, there's no doubt in my mind. joining me with more on what she said, nbc's blake mccoy. obviously this has been a political back and forth over whether or not this man targeted
planned parenthood based on some of the rhetoric on the campaign. >> planned parenthood believes they were targeted because of their views on abortion. his ex-wife did not want to go on camera but she's speaking out because she also wants there to be no confusion about the man she once called her husband. look at what she said way back in the '90s when she filed for divorce. "new york times" found the document. she said, "he claims to be a christian and is extremely evangelistic but does not follow the bible in his actions." she went on to say he says that as long as he believes he will be saved, he can do whatever he pleases. he is obsessed with the world coming to an end." now she says robert dear emotionally and physically abusive. "if i stayed with him, i felt like he would have done me deadly harm. you know he had guns, he had knives." she was married to dear for eight years and says she would have left him sooner but believed in their vows and they
do have a child together. she says for her to walk away, something had to be seriously wrong. tamron, we should mention here that i did reach out to the colorado public defenders office to see if dear had any response to these claims. we have yet to hear back. coming up, new details in the mysterious death of the mayor from alaska. the cause -- are the causes police are ruling out today. it is one of the stories we are updating around the "news nation." plus, one of hillary clinton's democratic rivals is seizing on an e-mail where she apparently criticized the iowa caucuses. it's the state where she finished third in 2008 behind barack obama and john edwards. nbc's senior political editor mark murray is next with our "first read" in politics. watching football together is great...
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that lead was at 18 points in early november. the poll also shows that clinton could face some tough hurdles in a general election with 60% of voters saying she's not honest and trustworthy. 59% say the same of donald trump, by the way. but the poll also finds that clinton currently beats all of the top republican candidates in a head-to-head match-up. rubio coming closest by one percentage point. joining me now live, nbc news senior mitt cal editor mark murray. talk about these numbers and the headline there is what to you? >> i think the headline is that hillary clinton still is in a comfortable position when it comes to the democratic primary season. 30-point national lead, though as we've seen in early iowa and new hampshire polling, the contest between her and bernie sanders is much closer. i'm not one who really gets worked up a lot about general election match-ups given that we'll see so many different twists and turns for an election 11 months from now but clearly hillary clinton is compared to the republican race seems to be in a very comfortable position.
>> let's talk about this fact that martin o'malley taking certainly a hit or swing at hillary clinton regarding this e-mail and what was perceived as a diss of the iowa caucuses and perhaps i guess trying to expose her in some way here, though obviously she's doing very well in the polling. >> some context here. among the thousands of e-mails that were released earlier this week went from hillary clinton to her friend sidney blumenthal when she talked about mitt romney and newt gingrich, mentioned the caucus system had people who were often brought to the extremes. why this is interesting is that this was a similar comment that got howard dean in a lot of hot water in early 2004 right before iowa caucuses. one of many episodes that came to his downfall in that democratic contest. it's important to note there is a big difference between dean's position back then which was a very competitive race and hillary's where she is still
leading bernie sanders by a comfortable margin. >> mark, thank you so much. we'll talk to you tomorrow with another round of interesting poll numbers, i'm sure. coming up, after a record number of terrorism related arrests in the u.s. this year, a new report looks at how hundreds of isis ambassadors, as they are called, many of them women, are actively recruiting new members here in the u.s. but more on this investigation coming up next.
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radicalization. back at home, police investigating the sudden death of the newly elected mayor of juneau, alaska, saying foul play hasn't been ruled out. authorities say injuries were found on the body but the mayor did not die from gunshot wounds or suicide. there was no evidence of forced entry into his home where his body was found monday. the 70-year-old was elected mayor just last month. an alarming new report is revealing just how isis does its recruiting inside the united states. right now at least 300 americans are acting as isis ambassadors on social media with a platform of choice -- twitter. the report, isis in america, shows 56 people have been arrested in the u.s. so far this year alone for helping support or plot with isis. those arrests coming in 21 states with the most in new york and minnesota. it is the largest number of terrorism related arrests in the u.s. in any year since 9/11 attacks. the report also shows there are currently 900 active
investigations against isis sympathizers in all 50 states. joining me now, co-author of the report, george washington university's program on extremism, sheamus hughes. we first talked about the social media platform of choice being twitter. why twitter? >> it's absolutely twitter. we look at 300 accounts of americans we believe to be isis supporters online. the reason they use twitter is because that's where the demographic is. average age of an isis recruit is 26 years old. isis is where their demographic is. >> it is because of age and not perhaps because their message can be hidden? there's no -- i guess secrecy about it? it is just the demographic? >> there's a number of reasons why. one is twitter is a platform that a number of people use so it makes sense that they're there and they are trying to recruit more and more people. the other reason is they constantly want to push out pop
gran today and twitter is the easiest way to get our videos and images and things like that. >> twitter has been quick to react to some of these messages that have popped up. they've closed accounts. we know anonymous, the hacking organization, has focused on twitter trying to take down some of the social media accounts from isis sympathizers. when you look at the arrests, new york, minnesota, california, and illinois. what do those states have in common from your report? >> social media is very important but at the end of e day relationships also matter. you look at a case like minnesota, you had a wave of individuals who went to syria and iraq and they called their friends and said come on over so there was a pre-existing relationship. we focus a lot on social media and that's an important aspect of this but at the end of the day it is your friends that you had back in the states and you try to get them to come back with you. >> the youngest arrested 15, the oldest 26. back to the demographics regarding twitter.
86% are male, 14% of those arrests are women. we know the role that one woman at least played in the paris attacks. ultimately blowing herself up as a suicide bomber. but people are quite fascinated with the role that women are playing. a, because they have been used to infiltrate and lure in other men. >> that's correct. we've seen a range and gamut of how they're using women in isis support. women are pushing the propaganda but they're also being essentially groomers, spotting people that are naive and saying come join us. over the course of a few months we watched a young convert from the midwest who was slowly brought into the process by a series of women who said i could teach you a little bit more about the faith. then they introduce slowly the isis ideology through a few weeks. >> what do you make of that tactic. especially given some of the criticism people have had and some of the reports that have come out on how women who have thought about traveling to
syria, sneaking in and joining isis have been treated? >> yeah, absolutely. what the problem is, this is essentially an echo chamber online. the 300 people that we watched they only hear what they want to hear. there is no dissenting voices. everyone knows each other, they don't trust outsiders and they take out people that push messages that are against what they believe. >> what about all the reports that a lot of this conversation and recruiting happens on the dark web? is that what you found in your report? or is it more out in the open? >> it's more out in the open for the most part. what we saw here was essentially you push the propaganda on open for rums like twitter and tum r tumblr. then if you want to figure out who to call when you get to turkey and cross that border, you move over to more secure places and direct messaging on twitter so you can have private conversations. >> when experts look at the battle against isis and hopefully we'll be able to look at in reflection the ultimate destruction of this terror
organization, how much of their story line will include the social media footprint and how they were able to grow? >> that's absolutely right, tamron. that's the reason why isis is so successful, putting aside the fact that they have an actual state where people can go to, they are very adept at using social media to radicalize and recruit people, particularly westerners. they're aware recruits are on twitter, tumblr and mainstream sites where they are extremely accessible. it is a lower brar to reach a radicalizer and recruiter online. >> thank you very much. up next, new reaction to facebook's ceo mark zuckerberg and his wife giving away 99% of their shares in facebook, all in honor of their new baby girl. that's next. (vo) some call it giving back.
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>> realizing he speaks fluid mandarin, as well. this is a group of small individuals who have been extremely generous with their money. they join 30 billionaires who signed something called the giving pledge. it's the brain child of bill gates. they launched it in 2010 as an initiative, as a way to encourage the world's wealthiest individuals to donate at least half their wealth to charitable causes. zuckerberg and chan's commitment letter to the organization earlier this month, they said, we're proud to be part of this declaration that those who have been fortunate should give back at least half of their wealth during their lifetimes. we will spend our lives working to make sure future generations have the best opportunities possible. the pledge list includes bill and melinda gates, the founders. they've given $32 billion so
far. warrant buffet pledged 99%. already given away $22 billion. michael bloom berg sberg says n all of his net worth will be given away. and the ceo of oracle corporation plans to give away 90% or 95% of his wealth. he's given hundreds of millions to educational research. they're 30 and 31 years old. everyone on the list is north of 50. it's not rare people give away billions of dollars when they die. they're in the prime of their lives and volunteering now. >> that's what i was asking, about the image of mark zuckerberg. the image of this guy, this tech wiz, who was perhaps not the most social of people. here he is now, taking off two months for paternity leave, and offering it to his employees, and now celebrating the birth of his child.
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